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Friday 10 Apr, 2015
http://jrnl.ie/2039905
Surprise – now Clarkson has pulled out of Have I Got News For You
All of two days after the news emerged that he was set to host the satirical quiz.
Image: PA Wire/Press Association Images
JEREMY CLARKSON HAS pulled out of his
on satirical BBC news quiz Have I Got News For You.
The former Top Gear presenter, who had his role on that show terminated last month after a much-publicised assault on Clarkson’s behalf on Irish show producer Oisín Tymon, has been in the headlines pretty much constantly ever since.
The latest twist in the saga comes after a ‘period of reflection’ on Clarkson’s part.
The bombastic host had been due to record the show on 23 April for broadcast the following day.
Managing Director of Hat Trick Productions, the company that produces Have I Got News For You, Jimmy Mulville said Clarkson had decided not to appear as host on this occasion.
However, the door has not been shut on future appearances for the controversial star.
“We fully expect him to resume his hosting duties later in the year,” said Mulville.
Clarkson has been one of the most prolific guest hosts of Have I Got News For You since its only permanent presenter Angus Deayton left the show in 2002.
He last chaired the show in April 2014.
Video (/watch=HfFbgio5iwo&t=)
Source: /YouTube
Meanwhile, the Great British Bake Off’s Sue Perkins has emerged as the one of the main favourites to replace Clarkson on Top Gear, which remains one of the BBC’s most lucrative productions, particularly in the overseas market where its format has been sold to countless countries.
Perkins has since denied the rumours on Twitter, but with this particular story you can never say never.
Nope!& Sue Perkins (@sueperkins)
Source: /Twitter
Chris Evans, model Jodie Kidd and Guy Martin are also thought to be potential candidates.
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Any pointers? I've lurked here and the mailing list forever, and decided to dedicate my Sansa Clip (v2) to the cause, and that's what prompted me to build the cross-compilers
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New commit by 03bieber (r27135): Theme Editor: Began integrating device configuration panel with renderer
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r27135 build result: All green
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Hi. I just plugged my sansa clip in with USB so it could charge. I saw it was blinking but thought that would be ok since I only needed to charge but now it does nothing anymore. any ideas?
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it seems I could reset it by holding the power button for 20 seconds.
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but when I put in a usb cable it starts blinking again (switching between the rockbox logo, the menu and an usb icon). What is the correct way to charge the device?
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esperegu: manuals always a good place to start...
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http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclip/rockbox-build.html
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S_a_i_n_t: k. thx a lot
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r27137 build result: All green
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gevaerts: rendering to svg should be possible.. probably not even all that hard
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bieber_: I'm thinking about adding a callback to the parser to be called for each element when it is being built... does the editor have any use for that?
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how do I use the skinupdater perl script?
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that works on a whole .zip theme
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I tried putting the script and a zip containing all my .wps files in the same folder and running "perl updatetheme.pl ./themes.zip ./wps
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diff: ./wps/Horschtblack.wps: No such file or directory
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mv: Aufruf von stat f? 1/4 r ???./wps/Horschtblack.wps??? nicht m??glich: No such file or directory
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you nee to build the themeupdater.c file also
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ok, and now It seems to have worked. It puts out a diff which I then use to run over the unzipped .wps folder?
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no, the diff is just so you get an overview of what changed
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and where did it save the changes to?
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I tihnk it makes a new zip folder in the out directory
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* JdGordon doesnt remember
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which command line did you use?
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perl updatetheme.pl ./themes.zip ./wrk
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it seems to unpack the zip into the wrk directory, then it outputs a .diff file and removes the unpacked files
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am I using it wrong though?
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I have 1 zip file containing tons of .wps files
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only wps files, nothing else
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the wps files should be updated now if your command line worked (which I can't tell), the content of the zips didn't need changing. I ran it differently on Windows so can't tell for sure - but I also got only an updated wps, no complete theme zip
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did you look at the resulting .wps files?
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well, no. There weren't any resulting wps files
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all I got was themes.diff and theme-names.diff
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I now did the following, though:
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I manualy unpacked the themes.zip, moved all the wps files to ./wrk/themes, moved the themes.diff into ./ and ran "patch -p0 < themes.diff
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Now I have resulting, patched wps files...
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the wps files wont work, though. Reverting to 3.6
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what target?
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ipod video
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80Gb model
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http://pastebin.ca/1889691 <- at least it looks proper
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(it's a modified version of AAFreak, suited to my needs)
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* S_a_i_n_t had an ass of a time with the perl script, and just ended up using skinupdater.exe
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I can't see anything that stands out as wrong in that pastebin...
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Horscht: and you didn't change the name of the .wps file (or if you did you changed its bitmap folder name accordingly)?
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yes, I changed both names
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also took care about the case
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it works in 3.6 but not in the current build with the "updated" wps
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well, not in 3.6 with the updated one, either
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so, yes. There's a AAHorscht folder and an AAHorscht.wps file
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the only thing I see a "wrong" in the WPS pastebin is using a 'false' case for conditionals and leaving it blank... %?xx and %?xx is exactly the same thing...
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* JdGordon changes his mind about his libskin_parser integration patch and tries a new tact
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but then, that's not "wrong", just unnecessary
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bieber_: if you are pulling in other libraries you should add a credits dialog or text file
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and the fact that artist and album are displayed conditional to hold I find a little "weird", but, the syntax seems correct.
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New commit by 03uchida (r27138): text viewer: reworks screen access logics and some bugs fix. ...
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wait, what? when I have the hold switch off, I see artist and title, if it's on I see genre and album
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preloading "a" viewports and displaying them unconditionally is unnecessary too but should also work
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r27138 build result: All green
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Horscht: Exactly, I fond that odd personally...but, it's not wrong.
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I just hadn't read that far into the code yet.
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yeah, the "a" viewport needs no identifier...but, again, isn't "wrong"
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should I post the "old" wps format? the 3.6 one?
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if you want to make *sure* it is correct, do a "make" in utils/skinupdater
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then run skinupdater on the individual WPS/SBS files
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"./skinupdater.exe oldfile.wps newfile.wps"
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Horscht: well it looks like he wanted to have access to all of this info (genre etc.) even if the space is quite limited with album art present and so looked for something where he could have somewhat control over what is displayed. Hold conditional is quite nice for that
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pixelma: Was that supposed to be at me?
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I really didn't do most of that wps file. All I did was change a few lines...
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Horscht: As I said, if you want to make sure that the syntax is correct, see if skinupdater.exe had a differing output.
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S_a_i_n_t: no, it was about Horscht's statement about what he sees with hold switch on or off, and with "he" I meant the original author
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yeah, the original author used the hold conditional to remove the album art and display pretty much everything about the file
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Horscht: The perl script seemed to miss some themes on the themesite for...reasons unknown, but, from what I know and my experience the skinupdater.exe seemed to do the job even for the ones the perl script missed.
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gonna try that, as soon as I get my linux vm working again
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In saying that though...I don't see any particularly obvious reason that this WPS should fail.
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the %xl lines seem to suggest there are/were images removed...perhaps by yourself, or the original author modified someone elses existing code.
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A, B, C, D, L
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I don't think I removed any images...
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I'm cleaning up the code now,t see a functional change.
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One of the "c" viewports is entirely blank...is this intentional?
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i think so... It's a viewport that comes into action when there's no album art. It blanks the space where the previous album art used to be and displays what the original author dsiplayed using the hold conditional
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i.e. tons of info
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http://pastebin.ca/1889702 <--Pretty sure I got all the "unnecessary" bits...
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there's no "a" viewport anymore...its always displayed, so...
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image L is now E (consistency)
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and conditionals with a blank "false" now only have a "true".
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using the skinupdater method worked...
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perl script didn't
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ahh..cool, can you diff the tow please?
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Knowing what it errored on might help.
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sure, I think I can do that.
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uhm... my notepad tells me, that files match...
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can you pastebin the "new" file?
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sure... http://pastebin.ca/1889708
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it's identical... Both files even have unix line endings...
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and now, even the old file works.
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preivously, All i got was the default screen with the volume meter thingies.
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how line 92 works confuses me...
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seems to be an error to me.
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i don't know.
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it's from the original author.
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you see that too?
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It know what its supposed to do, so It know how to clean it up.
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t even parse.
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all I see, is a bunch of "nonsense" symbols, realy. I am impressed by your skills of "seeing something weird there"
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heheh...I look at WPS code daily almost.
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could I be a pain and get you to pastebin the original?
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then I'll get this fixed up properly for you.
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nah, it works now. I am happy :)
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I could still pastebin the orignal, if you want
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if you're happy...I'm happy.
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I still don't see how that works though.
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http://pastebin.ca/1889710 this is the original wps from the original author
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wait...can you try it on a file/album *without* AA?
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this conditional I'm seeing should just display garbage for year whn no AA is present
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Horscht: fixed: http://pastebin.ca/1889713
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it doesn't show year at all if there's no AA
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it *should*
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hmm... I think i doesn't show year, ever
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http://pastebin.ca/1889714 <-- *actually* fixed :)
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(I made a booboo)
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perhaps "year"t present in your metadata.
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ah, right.. it can't show year on an mp3 that doesn't have it
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In the pastebin I posted last, line 94 (the last code segment) basically says: "If you find a tag for "year" in the current track, display it"
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ah, yes. It does now
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S_a_i_n_t: what do you think is wrong in line 92, looks good to me
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allthough it needs a space before the bracket
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ah, right to seperate it from the rest.
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where would I put it? "%?iy< %(%iy%)" <- like so?
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line 92 going by (your) last pastebin.
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S_a_i_n_t: artist tag present<show artist info|is thera a directory name 2 levels above?>year info present
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r27139 build result: 284 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed)
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no, I meant the space. I found out already, that the line I just posted works. It put's a space between artist and the year
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pixelma: Hmmm, it loaded incorrectly on my browser the first time I looked at it it seems. :/
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I was seeing "%?iy" which couldn't possibly have worked.
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And I have seen the various syntax updaters insert "%"s willy-nilly.
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looks fine to me now though, (apart from the empty "false" condition) :/
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gah! -bold
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well, I am not an expert, but I think empty false conditions make sense
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"if condition is true, do stuff, else do blank (nothing)
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Horscht: That's the way it works *without* the blank condition.
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the blank conditiona is irrelevant.
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yeah, I know it's irrelevant, but it makes sense to include it
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if true, do it, if not....don't.
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it seems to make sense, it it looks consistent, but..isn't necessary.
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might make it easier to understand for the casual reader but nothing more
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I'm not sure how people got into the habbit of doing that with conditionals, many people do, and I'm pretty sure the wiki and manual explain it quite clearly.
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wps isn't easy to understand to the casual reader anyways, though
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It grows on you, trust me. :D
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soon you'll be dreaming WPS code :P
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it's just too.... abstract.
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New commit by 03jethead71 (r27140): Fix red. Thought I had REC_SAMPR_DEFAULT covered if not otherwise specified as different than 44.
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There are plent of languages that make a lot less sense.
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no, I really wont, as I basicaly got my theme working (thanks to your help). Last time I looked at wps code was when I modified the original wps in the first place
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At least this one is easily human readable.
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you mean like piet?
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or whitespace?
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perl is s good example of "what not to do with a coding language", WPS code is a walk in the park comapred to perl :P
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but, that's sliding steadily off-topic.
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perl is more of a script language, isn't it?
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r27140 build result: 4 errors, 0 warnings (jethead71 committed)
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right, OT it is
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jhMikeS: different samplerates than 22.05kHz are now possible on e200/c200?
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pixelma: yes
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I thought there was a hardware limitation
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at least in the "upper" end
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still, there is a limitation to 24kHz (1/2 of 48 kHz). Dividers can't be set to get 64kHz so 32kHz can be don't for recording.
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of course, finding a magic register somewhere could change that, I just don't know where it would be atm, if it even exists.
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aha, sounds nice still :)
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New commit by 03jethead71 (r27141): Should clear up rest of red. Add a required #define in the config for c200. Fix up some preprocessing directives. Hope it's all taken care of now.
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r27141 build result: All green
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Luca_S, did your battery bench work?
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funman, I think I'll have another look at the wakeup problem this weekend
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bertrik: first time it crashed at 41%, I restarted it and it's still running (but it's gonna end shortly, battery it's at <10%)
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I don't have a SVN bench though, if it's needed you'll have to wait more :)
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What AMSv2 player are you battery benching?
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jhMikeS: which sample rates are possible now? (in case that needs updating in the manual...)
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Hmm, I have a WPS metadata fallback problem. I figured I would display %d(2) if the artist tag isn't present, and %d(1) if the album tag isn't present...but, this only really works if the media is organised in a sane way ie. Music/Artist/Album/Trackname.file
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Anyone have a better suggestion?
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Its safe to assume that %d(1) will be present, but I may need yet *another* fallback for %d(2) :/
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Ok, lets ignore that and I'll propose the question in a different way, ignore anything I said about %d(1)/(2): "If there is no metadata available for "Album" and, or "Artist" then, what would you rather see in their place? (assuming there is no metadata available at all)"
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S_a_i_n_t, i'd say filename
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I'd use filename as fallback if the title tag is not present
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maybe full path, then?
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I use d(1) for album fallback and d(2) for artist
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well, that'll work for most people (including me), but not for everyone
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works with my directory structure - if d(2) is not present, I just let it show ".."
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I'm aware but I think you can not catch everything
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assuming d(2) is the parents parentdirectory
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hello, I'm trying to build code for sansa target, but I get the following error
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no memory region specified for loadable section `.ARM.extab'
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make: *** [../build/rockbox.elf] Error 1
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any idea ?
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No, but have you followed the build instructions ?
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Sorry can't really help you, never had a proble
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amr: that shouldn't happen if you used rockboxdev.sh
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I'm building on Ubuntu, and used rockboxdev.sh to update the new gcc toolchain for arm-eabi
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it is now updated
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and I get no warnings before build
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amr, make running make clean in the build directory helps
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If that doesn't work try rebuild your toolchain
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I know that error, it happens if gcc is built without the patches we apply
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I tried make clean already
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sudo find /usr/local -name arm-elf-eabi\* -exec rm -rf {} \;
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sudo rm -rf /usr/local/arm-elf*
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Then try to rebuild the toolchain
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can anyone please help me to find out the sdcfg value for tcctool, for a player that's bricked? i opened the player up, i know its processor, ram, can get into recovery mode, etc - just sdcfg is missing (and i have no idea how to actually start to look for it)
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ok I'll try and tell you the result after rebuild
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btw what is your $PATH ?
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both /usr/local/arm-elf/bin and /usr/local/bin
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Well you don't need /usr/local/arm-elf/bin anymore I think
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ok, I cleared and rebuilding the toolcahbin now
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pixelma: Horscht: Thanks, I have filename (without extension) as the fallback for Title, that seemed an obvious choice.
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Just "Album" and "Artist" are bugging me...
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though, I am aware I can't accomodate for users with wacky file structures...I'd like to at least try.
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well, I'd say if it's missing the artist tag, it is most probably lacking title, too
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pixelma: I have what you suggested currently.
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Horscht: I've added fallbacks for all...I'm just not wanting to leave any fields blank if no metadata is present
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(and yes, that does happen)
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well, not if you're sane :P
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my music is carefully catalouged
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here's all the info i collected for tcctool, if it's any help: http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpost.php?p=294684&postcount=65
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Music/// - / -
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the problem is with what I have now it'll display filename, .rockbox, musicdirectory (on seperate lines of course) if a user just had ".rockbox/Music/" and there's not really any acceptable fallback for that :/
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I know if they chose to do so its their own stupid fault, but it still bothers me.
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Horscht: by the way, that is a really anal directory structure :P
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I am getting more anal about it, almost every album has a folder.jpg album art in it :p
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not bad, just..."descriptive" ;)
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all mine have AA, but I just use "Music/Artist/Album/trackname.ext"
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I find it a lot better If I group them by letter too
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just less cluttered
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being really over-the-top is having individual AA for each track...and, some people do believe me.
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I have it on very few CDs
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It always seemed odd to me to do so, as I never saw how an album could have different AA per-track.
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I bought a CD from an independent group called "pornophonigue", they have a cover for every song
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I know this...
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but, surely the album has just one cover? ;)
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like, one of thos film-reel cases with 8 circular inlays
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no, I don't think the album itself has a cover
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It uses the cover of "sad robot"
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curiouser and curiouser...
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Why not put every song in a different folder ?
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seems like a hack but it will do the trick
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what hack?
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i mean, why?
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you can have individual covers for songs
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Anyway, thanks for the help, I think I'll just leave it how I have it now...it won't lok weird on my WPS (or anyone who happens to disinclude metadata, but happens to organise their music in a sane folder structure) :P
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just name the image .jpg
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Didn't know that would work...
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S_a_i_n_t: you could try and test for genre or comment tag if there is no d(2) but it's not very likely these will exist in such a case
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btw is there a tool that will search every folder and fetch the cover from last.fm ?
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pixelma: The point is these are fallbacks for "no metadata present", I thought of doing so, thet work.
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Jerom: Reading the manual is an excellent start.
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Not only does it explain naming conventions for AA, but I'm pretty sure it has tools to recover AA linked in it.
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it definitely explains that you can have individual cover art with the "trackname.jpg")
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S_a_i_n_t: before statements like these I'd look things up... the former is true. I have doubts about the tools directly linked (just indirectly by pointing to the wiki page I think)
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http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AlbumArt#Cover_Art_Downloading
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It points to the wiki, and specifically mentions "programs that will help you automate the process of putting album art on your player", I was pretty damn close...
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Ok ok my bad :p
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i think most programs use amazon
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I was thinking of last.fm because it has a nice API for doing this
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I've cleared /usr/local/arm-elf/ and rebuilt tool chain , but the error still exists
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Did you also clean arm-elf-eabi ?
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no, may removing /usr/local/arm-elf-eabi before rebuilding , may that solve the issue ?
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it might, yes
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Horscht: Apart from that typo, the English in the lrcviewer plugin manual entry is horrible
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* AlexP fixes
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i not did done that!
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I'm very sorry.
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it's still nice to have the info there so someone without the detailed knowledge can fix
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pixelma: thanks for fixing the plasma manual part, btw
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teru: It isn't your fault - I can fix the language, it is nice to have the info there at all :)
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kugel: no problem
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teru: A spellchecker would help though :)
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teru: Rockbox uses UK, not US English - so it should be e.g. colour not color and centre not center in the lrcviewer.
I'll change it :)
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amr: ARM.extab is a section for C++ exceptions
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the patch that rockboxdev.sh applies to gcc should disable exceptions support in the built libgcc
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run make V=1 to see the last gcc command line which fails, copy it to the terminal and add -v before running it, then paste the output on pastie.org
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Anyone know of a .kbd file is an "accepted" part of a theme (ie. by the themesite)?
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also, defining said .kbd file in the theme .cfg?
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oh what the hell, i'll put rockbox on my sansa clip+ now
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funman, you said that using the alarm wakeup function triggered the OF to refresh the uSD database, right? I wonder how that works, does the OF perhaps put some magic value in the alarm RAM too? I can do a quick test in the debug menu
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Also I saw that we can also detect the wakeup cause by checking a bit in the codec interrupt status register.
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bertrik: it could be, i couldn't code which wrote to this reg in the OF though
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(saw in the datasheet I mean, have not seen it working in reality yet)
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i think this bit is set only if you put the device to hibernation, not if you power it off
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(just supposing)
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ah, so the OF can detect when some kind of unexpected reset happens
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I'll have a closer look into this tomorrow
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should i update to the latest firmware first?
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http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaAMS links to /sansa/board/message?board.id=clipplus&thread.id=2911 "Sansa Clip+ Firmware Update 01.02.09" but there also is a "Sansa Clip+ Firmware Update 01.02.15" in that form
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any will work
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New commit by 03alex (r27144): Correct spelling in the lrcviewer plugin. UK English please!
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New commit by 03alex (r27145): Give the lrcplayer manual entry a good seeing to.
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funman, there is a set of other interesting stuff that this as3543 can do too (I guess you noticed this already), like measuring the charge current
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r27144 build result: All green
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r27145 build result: All green
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nice, i am going to use the gui tool
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funman: here is the last command http://pastie.org/1019992
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and this is the result
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bash: LD: command not found
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'LD rockbox.elf' is not a command, just some debug output, the command starts at the line just after
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sorry, here is the result: http://pastie.org/1020002
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and this is the full result:
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Original firmware unknown, please try an other version. Tested Clip+v1 versions are : 01.02.09, 01.02.13, 01.02.15
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Could not load /home/hannes/ramdisk/clipplus01.02.15.zip
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http://pastie.org/1020008
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i flashed 01.02.15 on the device just moments ago
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same error if i try to load 01.02.09
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i am using the latest version of the tool. 1.2.7
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u42p: unzip it first
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run as su (it said it needed direct access)
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then i have two files, which one is the firmware?
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the .bin, the other one is an advertisment mp3
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ah, workes
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message in the "prerequisites" dialog about that would be nice
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where do i find the device specific manual again?
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amr: hm it's not -v, i don't remeber the correct option
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u42p: www.rockbox.org
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oh nevermind, yes
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sorry, that question was dumb
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aah no that's good, -v shows the linker (collect2)
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amr: grep -r '\.ARM\.extab' ~/Documents/rb/build show which file is using this section ?
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dear god, it's running doom
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t thank god,)
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* dfkt compiles a version of rockbox without audio/radio/video support, only doom
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fastforwarding is much better now
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is there a theme with rio karma like peak(?) display over the time of the current track? like if you loaded a song in audacity. rio karma showed that in the progress bar of the playback
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u42p - http://themes.rockbox.org/
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grep result: pattern not found
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would something like that even be possible with just a theme?
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cuesheet support is nice :)
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is it normal that images are displayed with some kind of "animated dithering noise?
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with a ...what?
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hard to describe.the display only has black background and the colours orange and cyan. if i view an image it is not still/frozen but there are pixels flickering around
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same in doom
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that doesn't sound right, no.
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wow, speex support
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* u42p is a kid on christmas
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wait, it's a clip right? there's only two colours the screen can produce, yellow and blue.
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u42p: I suppose that's the effect of greylib on clip+
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all the colours in between (or shades rather) are produced by rapidly flickering the pixels on and off IIUC
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this library is used to produce shades of gray on lcd displays by quickly turning pixel on and off, but it doesn't work well on oled displays which don't have the same display mechanics
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the refresh rate of the clip is very low to begin with
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ah ok. yes, that will be it
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now, I don't know if it's normal on Clip+ or if could/should just be disabled
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i was just surprise that it was not static but "animated" :)
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Battery Bench on FuzeV2, r27104 + Audio on PLLB: http://pastebin.org/360343
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if i open a cuesheet i get the list of titles. if i "click" on them, a battery-like icon appears in the top bar. that icon also appears in normal playback mode if i switch tracks, so i guess it means disk access. should i be able to launch a track from the cuesheet list?
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oh gosh, pastebin truncated it?
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amr: you are Amr Medhat on flyspray ?
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funman: do you know any pastebin sites which won't truncate longer pastes?
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(this is 84kb)
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Luca_S: You could just upload the file to somewhere like
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(little to no advertising)
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Luca_S: what's important is just a comparison without audio on PLLB, on the same player
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thank you - funman: recharging now, will probably be ready on monday :)
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Battery Bench on FuzeV2, r27104 + Audio on PLLB: /download-bd08f056.html
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domonoky: the theme site also checks cfg files for settings they shouldn't contain and if they do rejects them. Could "foreground" (or however the setting is actually called) be something to reject themes on greyscale targets?
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just wondering because there is another report of this problem (colour themes with technically working WPSs which are unreadable on greyscale because they use globally set white foreground on a dark backdrop)
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pixelma: not without changes.. currently it just has a list of allowed settings for all targets...
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so if you volunteer to modify it, go for it :-)
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I know nothing about php or whatever is needed for the theme site internals
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* domonoky also didnt know much about that, when he started to modify the theme site. so thats no excuse :-)
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pixelma: the rates for now are play: 48, 44.1, 32; rec: 24, 22.05, 16 (now I'm off for a road trip today)
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funman: yes i am
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Is there a possibility of FS#11361 being committed?
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(adds the string "Disc" to Engligh.lang)
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That sounds wrong! :)
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it....does?
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English.lang would be more suitable :)
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or even more without the capital
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* S_a_i_n_t sees it now...
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Hello - on my clip+ i got an 1pixel displaced display. The last right pixel row appears at the first left row. Does anyone know how to correct this?
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in rockbox, or in the stock sansa firmware as well?
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only on rockbox
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S_a_i_n_t: I am a bit opposed to including strings just for themes, where will it stop? Language strings always add to binsize and voice file size, and make the .lang files even less readable... in this case it would be somewhat acceptable if it would also be used in the "ID3" viewer (and strings needed by the default theme
are also an exception IMO)
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gevaerts: ping?
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yeah, I must admit it was an afterthought, but I also thought it could be used in playlistviewer as wll.
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pixelma: ^^
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elwe, sounds like some kind of bug in the rockbox driver then, haven't heard from this problem before though
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i just try to make a screendump, lats see how it loooks there. This is my first rockbox install, so i havent testet older versions( using r)
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I expect the screen dump to be OK, but we'll see :)
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yes, the screendump is ok. it happens at every theme. i will try an older version of rockbox...
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Zagor: pong
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gevaerts: I need your CSS skills. the new page needs wrapping.
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* gevaerts is amazed at Zagor's confidence!
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you did some magic once before :)
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My CSS skills basically amount to changing things until my browser gives up and displays things the way I want!
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What needs wrapping? The manufacturer list?
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we get a new website?
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gevaerts: yes
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bluebrother: maybe. new.rockbox.org
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oh, that is still in discussion? I considered it abandoned.
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btw, I still don't like this supported p-)
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bluebrother: Isn't LGPL code okay to link against code under any other license?
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the manufacturers list looks weird if the display is not wide enough
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bieber_: yes, but AFAIU it's not completely trivial for v2 vs v3 of those licenses.
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i.e. LGPLv3 requires GPLv3. Still AFAIU :)
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Odd, according to their matrix, you can link GPLv2 or later code with LGPLv3, but not just GPLv2 code
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* bluebrother goes checking the matrix again
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You *can*, but it technically becomes GPL3 code then
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Could I just make the theme editor GPLv3 or later, and dual-license the skin_parser library as GPLv2 or later?
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gevaerts: well, so does this create a problem for us or not?
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is the code the theme site uses in an extra "themes" SVN module or so?
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as far as I read the matrix mixing GPLv2+ with LGPLv3 is "OK if you upgrade and convert to GPLv3", so we would need to make the theme editor GPLv3. And as that includes the parsing stuff from libs/ that would also need to get GPLv3. Which might then have consequences for Rockbox itself ...
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pixelma: svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/themes.rockbox.org
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append /trunk to taht
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We can always dual-license the parsing library, though
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Just use it in Rockbox as GPLv2 and in the theme editor as v3
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there aren't any branches or tags used yet, so getting all won't hurt. Except that you get an additional folder :)
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bieber: technically I guess so. But having the theme editor GPLv3 would also mean that we can't reuse code from it, for example for Rockbox Utility.
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also, dual-licensing parts means we need to handle those licenses. Something I'd prefer to avoid.
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(I found that licensing stuff for beastpatcher already pretty annoying)
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If I read correctly, though, we could just straight-up link LGPLv2 code with GPLv2 or later code without consequences
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so while I wouldn't want to loose the affected functionality I'm not sure if the added (possible) license issues are worth it.
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yes, LGPLv2 is fine. We use that in Rockbox Utility already.
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Oh, wait, I was looking at the wrong box
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the problem comes up with v3 :o
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Well, I'll excise it for now, and I'll ask the author if perhaps he could give it to us under v2.1
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He just responded to my thank-you note, so at least I know he's reachable
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that would be a nice option.
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So would the prudent thing to do just be to revert my last commit and go from there until we hear from him?
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it's already in the history, so I don't think it's much of a problem if we wait for an answer of the author.
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of course given that he does answer. IMO the most important thing is to be aware of the situation and find a solution.
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Hmm, I never realized that linking different versions of GPL and LGPL could cause problems
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I guess the issue must be on the GPL side
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btw, when importing code it's always a good idea to add a README.ROCKBOX which states where the code comes from (and which version it is). Can be helpful when trying to updated to a newer version or in case changes made to it would make sense to get sent back the the original author
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I'm not happy about that v2 vs v3 issue either. However, the creators of the GPL chose to do so :/
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I'm guessing upgrading all of Rockbox to v3 isn't really an option, since everyone retains their own copyright?
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Also, not desired by some people
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Even if it were feasible to contact all copyright holders
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until two years ago we didn't explicitly state the "or later" part in the license. AFAIR the consensus was to go v2+ to allow other project to use our code even if they are v3, and not to go v3 to not exclude projects that aren't v3.
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the license issue was discussion on DevConEuro2008. I guess there should be something about it on that wiki page
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"V3 is not ruled out, but we'll take it one step at a time."
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Also, changing the licence for this seems quite drastic :)
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AlexP: indeed :)
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Of course not just for this, I was just musing about the project in general :)
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are the images on http://download.rockbox.org/daily/manual/rockbox-sansaclipplus/rockbox-buildch11.html from an actual unit or from an emulator?
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most screenshots are made with Rockbox's
screenshot function either with the unit or from a Rockbox Clip sim (more likely because it's quicker to access them)
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Any I have made are from the sim
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it's still my earlier issue which might just be "greylib"
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i cant find my camera
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which issue? It's known that the greylib doesn't work too well on the Clips' display
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the noise/dithering pixel flickering
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http://spirit.enjoys.it/stuff/rock.avi (terrible quality, 8mb)
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hello everyone, I began using rockbox after a period of about 1 year on my ipod 5.5g 80 gb. One of the things I noticed about it is that my HD keeps spinning even when I am scrolling through the db. Is this normal? Thank you.
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also I have never observed the HD spinning down. Even when my dynamic playlist is 1 song long, it seems to be spinning. Shouldn't it spin down after buffering ?
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And it does on every player I own (which doesn't include an ipod, but there should be no difference)
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What version of Rockbox?
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the stable build that the utility wanted to install. 3.6 I think.
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really sorry, my ethernet cable isn't stable enough.
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For the db thing, you probably want to turn load to RAM on
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AlexP: I installed 3.6 (the stable build).
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AlexP: also, I have stuff from iTunes. I don't always buy entire albums. How do you perform such additions w/o using itunes? Does the db detect changes in the filesystem automatically ?
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If you turn on auto update, yes
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Also, what do you have "disk spindown" set to?
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it was plugged in all this while and it lost charge...
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3.6 doesn't do charging properly, a current build does
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On ipod that is
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and yeah I have spindown set to 5s.
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but i can feel it spinning all the time.
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Try setting dircache to on and database load to ram on
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dircache is probably in the menus as Directory Cache, I forget
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yeah i found that
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so i should install the latest nightly build ?
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Latest current build
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lrcplayer owns! Now all I need to do is to be able to access it quickly from the wps
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hmm for some reason it won't show up on my machine.
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low battery I guess.
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it says Scanning disk ...
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Ts dircache, it'll only do it once
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and of course it would refuse to mount itself while scanning the disk.
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It hasn't got to Rockbox yet, so yeah
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Well, it hasn't finished loading
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New commit by 03ranma (r27147): Swap ccache and
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and what dammit!
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Well, that was supposed to have more text in the commit message ^^;
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I guessed that :)
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funman: ccache doesn't work if it precedes thumb-cc.py
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r27147 build result: All green
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"Swap ccache and thumb-cc.py so it works again"
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Or rather "so ccache works again"