[美国JRs之声]光有球星不行，雷霆证明化学反应和教练水平同样是争冠球队必备的
Speaking as a fan of the NBA as a whole, OKC’s struggles are
somewhat refreshing, if only because they show that chemistry & coaching
still have significant impact.
作为一个NBA（并不是某支队）的球迷，我觉得最近的挣扎其实从某种意义上来说是积极的。因为这说明了球队的化学反应和教练水准对球队还是有一定影响的。
This isn't meant to be a hate post, I assure you. OKC has
been getting a ton of hate lately, and I’m not trying to add to that.
And of course, OKC could turn things around and ensure that
this post ages terribly. They have a lot of talent.
As a fan of the NBA, however, I can’t help but enjoy their
struggles a little bit. Not because they're OKC, but because it shows that the
NBA isn't 100% talent-driven. You can't always just plug-and-play with a Big 3
of NBA all-stars.
我发誓这贴不是黑帖。最近很多人都在黑雷霆，我不想加油添醋。而且，说不定雷霆回头力挽狂澜，到时候这篇帖子就会变成是胡言乱语。他们有足够的天赋做到这点。
但是作为NBA球迷，他们最近的挣扎让我有点暗喜。不是因为他们是雷霆，是因为他们的表现证明了NBA不是100%靠天赋。三个全明星加盟后，球队不可能立刻就顺畅的运行。
The recent Dubs & Heatles teams developed a fantastic
chemistry over time, and both teams were led with great coaching. In some
places, these points are under-appreciated (“of course they won, they had
LeBron/Curry/Durant/Wade”).
Before the season, it was easy to say“of course OKC will be
great, they have Westbrook, PG13, and Melo”. And they still have a chance to be
great. But for now, as a fan of the league, it’s nice to see that the NBA isn't
always that simple or predictable.
近年来的和组建巨头球队后，都在一段时间后有了惊人的化学反应，而且两支队都有不错的教练团队。有些时候，人们低估了上述两点的作用。（他们会说：“他们不赢谁赢？那可是有/库里//的球队。”）
在这个赛季开始之前，很多人也都会说：“雷霆不赢谁赢？他们可是有、保罗-乔治和的球队。”当然他们还有大把机会能翻身，但是他们的表现证明联盟不是堆砌天赋就能赢球这么简单，还是让人欣慰。
[–]ragana 1618 指標
There’s a reason why San Antonio can scrape up the misfits
and turn them into diamonds... coaching is everything.
圣安东尼奥能把朽木打造成钻石是有原因的啊，教练团队当然重要了。
[–]soylaverdad 885 指標 9小時前
Coaching and coachability.
不止是教练团队，球员也要愿意被教导。
[–]KnicksBird_and_Dog 226 指標 9小時前
Makes you wonder how pop would've dealt with a true lunatic
让人不禁联想啊，手底下要是有阿里纳斯这种疯子会怎么样。
[–]BullsFirmly_Grasp-it 573 指標 9小時前
He would have dealt him in a trade
要是波波早交易他了。
[–]BullsFirmly_Grasp-it 90 指標 8小時前
You know Pop ain't with that bullshit. Especially if he
found out about Gil pulling out a gun? He would have thrown him out himself
波波绝对不会忍受他干的那些事儿。特别是如果让波波知道阿里纳斯要掏枪[译注1]，都不用NBA处罚，波波估计会亲自把他扔出球场。[译注1]：阿里纳斯当年曾在将枪带入更衣室中。
[–]76ersmarksills 86 指標 8小時前
woulda snatched that gun and taken it apart like Harvey
波波会像哈维-丹特[译注2]一样把枪拆了。
[译注2]：蝙蝠侠中著名反派双面人的本名。原为地方检察官，在脸被硫酸毁容半边后，心理崩溃并黑化。
[–]Spurskekecadam 38 指標 6小時前
And recommend him to buy American.
波波还会推荐他买美国制造。
[–]jrnymn 10 指標
And then gotten half his face burnt off
然后半边脸被烧烂。[译注3][译注3]以上两条评论是《黑暗》的桥段。
[–]shibbers4 82 指標 8小時前
He had peak crazy Stephen Jackson and that worked out fine....
for a short while haha
波波当年手下可是有正值疯狂巅峰的史蒂芬-逊，不也挺好的吗？哈哈不过好景不长啊。
[–][MIL] Keith Van Hornpseudoxan
104 指標 8小時前
I remember something about how Matt Bonner brought Stephen
Jackson to a Coldplay concert while they were teammates in San Antonio. That
would have been a sight to behold.
我记得邦纳和史蒂芬-杰克逊在当队友的时候，邦纳好像带着杰克逊去了一场酷玩的演唱会，真想亲眼见见那景象。
[–]MavericksKadath12 76 指標 8小時前
The mental image of Matt Bonner jamming out while Stephen
Jackson awkwardly fakes a smile at a Coldplay concert is one of the best things
to ever enter my head lol
邦纳狂嗨的时候，杰克逊对他尴尬一笑。简直画美不看。
[–]Knickslonelyarmadillo 74 指標 7小時前
Nah, it would have obviously been Stephen Jackson jamming
out and trying to make a mosh pit while Matt Bonner grumbles about how
Coldplay's quality and nuance steadily degenerated from the Parachute days.
不不不，肯定是杰克逊狂嗨，然后邦纳叨叨说酷玩自从Parachute之后作曲质量和内容都在逐年稳步下降。
[–][SAS] Patty
MillsBoogiePelicans 47 指標 7小時前
Misfits is kind of misleading. I think Pop is not one to
take on a guy that has work ethic or off-court issues. But if someone is
willing to put their nose to the grindstone in order to improve, that what he
relishes. That's where you get Danny Green, Kyle Anderson, Jonathon Simmons,
Aron Baynes, etc... All those guys were not as naturally talented as a lot of
prospects, but they were willing to put in the work.
他们也不能算朽木吧。我觉得波波不喜欢费力指导那些不刻苦或者有场外问题的球员，波波喜欢那些愿意埋头苦干，努力变好的球员。这就是为什么波波挖掘了丹尼-格林、凯尔-安德森、乔纳森-西蒙斯、阿隆-贝恩斯等等...这些球员都不像其他潜力新秀那样身体素质爆棚，但是他们够刻苦。
&[–][CLE] Kevin
Lovequentin-coldwater 131 指標 8小時前
Yeah but Popovich is a transcendent talent. Comparing him to
even excellent coaches like Spoelstra and Kerr is like asking why AD and
Giannis can't turn their teams into 66 win teams and comparing them to LeBron
on the 2009 Cavs.
The question isn't "does coaching matter" but
"does coaching matter if you don't have a Popovich-level coach" ie:
"How big is the gap between Steve Kerr and Billy Donovan".
Similarly, the question isn't "how many games can you
win with a shit supporting cast" it's "how many games can you win
with a shit supporting cast if you don't have a LeBron James or a Michael
Jordan level player as your star"
说的是没错，但是那可是波波啊，这么比不合适吧。拿他跟其他优秀教练（或者科尔）比，就像问为啥浓眉或者字母歌不能像09年的勒布朗一样单核把球队带成66胜的球队。
问题的关键不是“到底教练团队重不重要？”，而是“如果你没有像波波这种水准的教练，教练团队还重不重要？”。换句话就是，“科尔和的差距到底有多大？”
同样的，问题的关键不是“一个有着一堆稀烂角色球员的队到底能赢多少球？”，而是“如果你球队的单核不是詹姆斯或者，一个有着一堆稀烂角色球员的队到底能赢多少球？”
[–][CLE] LeBron Jamesnewunnavi
298 指標 11小時前
Sure, but ultimately, unless if you have Gregg Popovich or
someone on his level, it's very hard to overcome talent deficits in the
playoffs. I think the 2014-15 Hawks are the perfect example of this. Yes, I
know that they were decimated in the ECF, but even then they couldn't overcome
LeBron James or Kyrie Irving despite having a stellar coach in Budenholzer.
Chemistry I can't argue with. No question that chemistry and
the right fit are better than just throwing talented players onto a team that
don't suit each other.
没错没错，但是话又说回来，除非球队有个像波波一样的主教练，在季后赛里面很难赢天赋高一个层次的球队。2014-15赛季的就是完美的例子。我知道在东决他们被干得很惨，但那时他们有这么出色的教练，在詹姆斯和欧文面前也无力反抗。
化学反应这点我没法反驳，合理的阵容和出色的化学反应比简单的堆砌互不兼容的天赋要有效这点毫无疑问。
[–]Clipperscrying_jordan 72 指標 8小時前
I agree with you about chemistry. I also think that even a
great coach like Pop would needs time to coach superstars to play at their real
potential within a good system. Look at what happened with Lamarcus last season
compared to this season.
关于化学反应这点我同意你说的。同时我也觉得就算是波波这样出色的教练，也需要时间来引导巨星在有效的体系中发挥他们的真实实力。看看这个赛季的和上个赛季的阿尔德里奇的差别。
I like the fact that /u/The_Loop_Digga mentioned the Dubs.
We often forget that they've been getting hated on since before KD and before
73-9. There were people here (myself included, on an older account) who thought
they were flukes back in 2014-15. Plenty of people looked at their success as
simply a regular season run (like Budenholzer's Hawks). Then, when they
continued their success, we moved the target and hated on them for other
reasons ("Well OF COURSE they'd be good. Draymond and Klay have always
been all-stars").
有人提勇士，那我也说说勇士。在杜兰特加盟和单赛季73胜9负之前，论坛里的有些人（包括我自己，那时候用老马甲）会觉得他们在14-15的成功是偶然事件。很多人觉得他们的成功就仅限于常规赛而已（就像布登霍尔泽的老鹰）。然后勇士继续出色的表现，我们又因为其他原因黑他们（“他们当然会赢球了，格林和克莱一直都是全明星级别的球员。”）
My point is that you really do need A LOT of things to work
out in order to form a successful team. You need at least one superstar who can
carry the whole team in at least a few all-star games. You also ideally have
1-2 additional stars who are willing to not be the main guy. You also need a
great system that makes use of the role players. AND you need all the other
players to buy into that great system.
It takes a lot. It's not just chemistry, having a lot of
stars, willingness to defer, or coaching. It takes all of that to win.
我想说的是，球队要达成很多条件才能成功。球队需要一个可以单赛季有几场比赛扛着球队前进的巨星，得有1到2个愿意为球队牺牲的球星，还需要有让角色球员能充分发挥作用的体系。同时所有球员还得认同上述体系。想夺冠真的没那么容易。化学反应、球星数量、牺牲精神或者出色的教练缺一不可。
[–]EastPNRisTheWayToPlay 5 指標 8小時前
cavs had great chemistry by the end of the year, just
decimated by injuries.
i mean you don't win 2 games vs the warriors with delly as
your starting PG and a bunch of no names without chemistry.
其实2014-15赛季的那支骑士队到了赛季末尾已经磨合得非常好了，最后只是被伤病束缚住了手脚而已。你想想，德拉都打上首发控卫了，还有一大堆无名小卒上场凑数，骑士要是没有化学反应可能在那支勇士队身上夺走两场胜利吗？
&[–]Warriorsjustaplasticbag 732 指標 11小時前
If they get their shit together come playoff time, get lucky
with the seeding or something, I could see them in a huge grueling WCSF against
anybody really.
I'm almost getting tired of the OKC posts now, so I can't
wait for how salty/smug /r/nba is gonna be when OKC either make it deep in the
playoffs or crash and burn.
勇士球迷：等到了季后赛，如果他们能振作起来，而且在排名的时候运气好点什么的，我感觉他们可以在西部半决赛的时候让任何人疲惫不堪。现在关于雷霆的帖子多得我都懒得看。我现在就想看到时候如果雷霆季后赛走得很远或者，恰恰相反，彻底雪崩的时候，那时候话题区是什么反应。
[–][NYK] Enes
KanterISHLDPROBABLYBWRKING 303 指標 10小時前*
I'm Fucking dreading the
"ya I knew all
along they were gonna go far in the playoffs, I never ever said they wouldn't
make it! I did NOT say they won't win 40 I Games either ya also me neither i did
Ya I know some people did but these threads is 95% of people
saying ya onetime I said that!
“我一直觉得他们能在季后赛有所建树啊，我从没说他们做不到！雷霆怎么可能赢不了40场比赛，不，我没说过！肯定是你说的，反正我没说过！”
我真的怕到时候有这种回帖，我知道你们中肯定有人说过。我自己都说过。
[–]noerapenalty 101 指標 9小時前
Haha there should be a post where you have to put your takes
in by a certain deadline so we can background check these claims
话题区应该有个巨楼，每个想大谈一番的JR都应该在版主设置的截止日期前递交自己的预测和观点，这样我们到时候就能回过头来看到底是哪个JR说中了，又是哪个人被打脸了。
[–]NBAnbuddha 84 指標 8小時前
There's a great book called Superforecasting about a
prediction tournament run by Philip Tetlock (same guy who did a 20-year study
of expert geopolitical judgement and found that the vast majority of experts
are essentially tossing coins when they forecast world events).
有本叫《超级预测》的书，是关于作者菲利普-泰特洛克举办了一个预言事件的比赛（跟那个做了20年专业地缘政治判断研究的是同一个人，研究中他发现大部分所谓的“专家”在预言世界大事件时跟扔硬币没区别。）
The tournament had a bunch of questions (again, geopolitical
mostly) and deadlines about when you had to turn in your final prediction
(which was a % score) - so you could follow the ups and downs of an issue and
do research and adjust your score up to the deadline, then it sticks, you wait
for the thing to happen or not happen, and you get a score based on how right
这个比赛有一系列的问题（大部分还是关于地缘政治的）和递交你预言的一系列期限，你的预测其实就是针对问题提出该事件可能发生的概率。你可以密切关注你所预言事件的发展情况，并且不停研究并调整你的预言和分数。一直到最后预言敲定，你就只能等待自己所预言的事件到底会不会发生，最终你会根据预言的准确情况获得打分。
He has a bunch of conclusions about good habits for
predicting things based on what methods worked well (seriously, one of the best
books I've ever read, recommend everyone checks it out), but one of the main
ones was incremental updating of probabilities.
根据各种不同预测手段的结果，作者提出了许多有助于预测事件的习惯。（讲真，这书真的不错，推荐给所有人）。但是增量更新事件发生的可能性是最有效的几个方法之一。
So the people who had the most success predicting things
tended to adjust the likelyhood of an event by a few % (or even fractions of
1%) in response to new information, rather than swinging wildly from an
80%-this-will-happen to a 40%-this-will-happen, even in response to what seemed
like fairly strong evidence.在比赛中最成功的人们一般都会根据新的信息，少量（百分之几）甚至微量（百分之零点几）地调整事件发生概率，而不是在有了看起来强劲的证据后，剧烈的变动自己的预测（80%到40%）。
So, the people who were asking when we were going to admit
the Cavs had a problem, or predicting that they might not get a high seed (or
even make the playoffs) could've done with a bit of that predictive caution.
And whilst OKC are in a much worse situation, it does feel like we're still in
a wait-and-see position with them as far as greater cohesion goes and how their
skillsets will match up with playoff basketball.
所以之前那些说“我们到底什么时候才能承认骑士出现巨大问题了？”、“骑士到底能不能达到东部前半区“、甚至说“骑士能不能进季后赛的”JRs，我建议你们还是在预测之前谨慎一些。雷霆的话，就算他们现在处境还要糟，但是考虑到他们现阶段的融合程度和他们的个人能力在季后赛能发挥巨大作用这些因素，我觉得我们还是得观望观望。
[–]HeatLukeBron 235 指標 12小時前
I remember we started 9-8 when we signed Bosh and LeBron. I
don't think anyone who was a serious Heat fan wanted Spo fired. It's a shame to
see people slowly turn on Donovan like this. He seems like a decent coach with
3 stars that really shouldn't play together.
热火球迷：我记得我们当时在签下和詹姆斯后战绩是9胜8负。当时应该没有真正的热火球迷想要斯波走。现在看着人们一口一口的把锅分给多诺万，有点悲剧。多诺万是个不错的教练，只是手底下有三个完全不兼容的球星。
[–][OKC] Russell
WestbrookAnti_Thon 102 指標 11小時前
I also think that Donovan is a decent head coach. I’d even
use the word “good” to describe him. It’s possible that he may not even be
fired in the offseason if PG leaves.
雷霆球迷：我也觉得多诺万还凑合，甚至算是个出色的教练。夏天如果乔治走了，他甚至还可能继续留任。
[–]ThunderHobbes_is_Real 46 指標 10小時前
He's also known to tinker with game plans and rotations, so
the struggles of the past games could just be building blocks for the future.
Or so I'm hoping.
雷霆球迷：多诺万是个经常会调整战术和轮换阵容的教练，前几场打的不好可能是为了未来在尝试战术。
或者说，我但愿是这样...
[–]ImanShumpertplus 30 指標 9小時前
He’s taken OKC about as far as OKC could go in the past two
years. 3-1 isn’t on him imo
过去两年，他已经把雷霆带的够远了。3-1被翻盘不能怪他。
he outcoached Kerr that series so badly, GS just got hot as
OKC went cold
多诺万那个系列赛战术安排完爆科尔啊，只是后来勇士手感火热，但是雷霆手感冰凉。
[–][ATL] Al Horfordcoolbrez 12 指標 5小時前
Not just that. Westbrook and Durant were playing team ball,
and got cocky and completely abandoned it when they were up. Complete
regression that wasn’t on Donovan.
不止这样，在第五场之前，威少和杜兰特都在打团队篮球了，但是在领先后又回归了巨星球。这种倒退完全不是多诺万的锅。
[–]Spursmdivan 47 指標 9小時前
I can't think of Donovan as bad coach after what his coached
OKC did against Spurs in 2016.
马刺球迷：在2016年看了他执教的雷霆对马刺的表现后，我真的不能说多诺万是一个糟糕的教练。
[–]HeatCOACH_NICK_SATAN 39 指標 9小時前
And he also brought them to 3-1 against the Warriors.
Granted, they collapsed, but that's hella impressive for a first year coach. He
hasn't had a consistent roster of players to work with since then.
况且他的雷霆领先当年的勇士3-1啊。就算最后崩了，但是对一个新手教练来说已经很不错了。自从那以后他手下的阵容就一直不够稳定。
&[–][OKC] Russell
WestbrookAnti_Thon 835 指標 12小時前*
it’s always been like this lol.
The Heat started 9-8. Cavs started 19-20 one year. Nets went
10-21 (finished with 45 wins and went to 2nd round, IIRC) Lakers were also
12-14. The Knicks didn’t make the playoffs last year. The Bulls might not make
it this year.
雷霆球迷：阵容有巨大调整以后都是这样的啊。热火一开始是9-8，骑士有一年开始是19-20，一开始是10-21（如果我没记错的话以45胜结束赛季，然后打进了第二轮）当年组F4也是12-14。去年没进季后赛，今年可能也进不了，TX。
[–]NuggetsThe_Loop_Digga[S] 85 指標 12小時前
Exactly, which is why I think a lot of the “what’s wrong
with OKC? should they blow it up?” talk is surprising to me. Growing pains are
common. And it’s kinda fun to see those growing pains, because if they succeed,
you can see how far they came.
说的没错啊，所以我说很多“雷霆到底怎么了？是不是该重建了？”的帖子简直让人震惊。成长的烦恼是正常的。而且看着他们成长其实挺有趣的，因为如果他们成功，我们能看出他们到底成长了多少。
[–]HeatMHeat 指標 12小時前
Except this OKC team is a one year experiment that’s very
unlikely to continue past this season. That’s why them struggling is so
significant. With the Heatles and Cavs everyone knew they’d have years to
figure it out (which they did).
但是这只雷霆队是一支为期一年的实验性球队，很可能在这个赛季结束后阵容就会被拆散。所以说他们现在的表现糟糕后果更加严重，当时所有人都知道热火和骑士的调整空间很大，时间充裕（而且最后他们也确实缓过来了）。
[–][OKC] Russell
WestbrookAnti_Thon 154 指標 11小時前
Agreed. It really comes down to if PG can form a superteam
in LA and if he likes what he sees in OKC. I don’t think PG leaves to go to LA
if he doesn’t get another marquee superstar to go with him (Cousins, LeBron).
雷霆球迷：同意，最主要还是看乔治有没有机会在洛杉矶组建一支超级球队，还有他对雷霆观感到底如何。如果湖人不再找个巨星（或者詹姆斯）加盟，我不觉得乔治会加入湖人。
[–]MattimusII 135 指標 9小時前
You're underrating the negative effects of playing with
Westbrook. I think PG would rather be the lone ranger in LA if this playstyle
in OKC continues.
你在低估跟威少一起打球所带来的负面作用。我觉得乔治宁可在湖人当单核，也不想继续跟威少在雷霆这么打球。
[–]LakersLearnedHandLOL 117 指標 9小時前
Also life in LA is greater than life in OKC. For a 28 year
old millionaire that’s got to be a major factor too.
湖人球迷：还有还有，在俄城生活和在洛杉矶没法比啊，乔治可是个28岁的百万富翁，这点很重要。
[–]LakersOaty_McOatface 32 指標 8小時前
His shoes going to be everywhere in la if he goes
湖人球迷：如果他去了洛杉矶，他的鞋会出现在城市的各个角落。
[–][BOS] Greg StiemsmaHostik 156
指標 8小時前
Why, is he that messy?
为啥？他真有那么乱？自己的鞋到处扔？TX.更多精彩内容请搜索微信公众号“美国JRs之声“点击关注微博【】【】&& 译者：@ 看球员实时投篮点分布图，快下载虎扑App
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这些回帖亮了
雷霆的话题，恐怕会充满在这个赛季里面
我特别觉得他们彷佛打哪个对手也是55开，或者说，也会由领先的阶段被打到很紧凑
尤其现在这个12月是有趣的，他们8场比赛，除了黄蜂那场，全部输赢也是几分之差 (而之前的10月、11月，赢的都几乎是大胜，输的都几乎是几分)
看到有人说他们三根本不兼容，我其实一直都不这么觉得，瓜泡都能接球投，泡威鸭蛋能单侧组成强势三角，瓜可以阵地时打不开局面后拉开单打。威和泡也能面框。现在这种局面完全是因为泡和瓜只能当萝卜丝的定位打。身为控卫你想让队友发挥就必须把出手让给锋线和内线。你非要控场打法就只能像纳什那样打挡拆或者像詹姆斯那样配四个投手。别的不说就像勇士的库杜挡拆也是很适合雷霆的啊。泡和威打挡拆，还可以有鸭蛋和安东尼两个位置可以分球。关键的关键是威要把球让出来。不然还不如像去年那年。自己干就行了。但是季后赛输了球不要说自己孤胆英雄，双拳难敌四手
为什么就不肯承认是核心亚当斯的问题！txtx
比赛不是2K，胜利更不是简单的球星堆砌
引用12楼 @ 发表的:看到有人说他们三根本不兼容，我其实一直都不这么觉得，瓜泡都能接球投，泡威鸭蛋能单侧组成强势三角，瓜可以阵地时打不开局面后拉开单打。威和泡也能面框。现在这种局面完全是因为泡和瓜只能当萝卜丝的定位打。身为控卫你想让队友发挥就必须把出手让给锋线和内线。你非要控场打法就只能像纳什那样打挡拆或者像詹姆斯那样配四个投手。别的不说就像勇士的库杜挡拆也是很适合雷霆的啊。泡和威打挡拆，还可以有鸭蛋和安东尼两个位置可以分球。关键的关键是威要把球让出来。不然还不如像去年那年。自己干就行了。但是季后赛输了球不要说自己孤胆英雄，双拳难敌四手我得反驳，瓜从不把自己当成蓝领，瓜从不瓜在纽约为了当好一个领袖，他不放弃自己的更衣室地位，也从不退让，即便跟教练闹掰，跟队友不合，他要做麦迪逊花园唯一的老大怎么到了你雷，就成了瓜想当蓝领？那是瓜退让了，瓜妥协了，瓜不解释一切，做好被人诟病的防守，在内线抗住4，5号位的进攻，兢兢业业保护好篮板，那是他最后的尊严，他想球队好，想夺冠请不要玷污一个追求总冠军梦想的人如果在雷霆打的不开心，瓜明年可以离开，这一点请雷霆球迷不予评论，甜瓜的粉不许
Why, is he that messy?为啥？他真有那么乱？自己的鞋到处扔？TX.美国old铁真有意思
引用12楼 @ 发表的:看到有人说他们三根本不兼容，我其实一直都不这么觉得，瓜泡都能接球投，泡威鸭蛋能单侧组成强势三角，瓜可以阵地时打不开局面后拉开单打。威和泡也能面框。现在这种局面完全是因为泡和瓜只能当萝卜丝的定位打。身为控卫你想让队友发挥就必须把出手让给锋线和内线。你非要控场打法就只能像纳什那样打挡拆或者像詹姆斯那样配四个投手。别的不说就像勇士的库杜挡拆也是很适合雷霆的啊。泡和威打挡拆，还可以有鸭蛋和安东尼两个位置可以分球。关键的关键是威要把球让出来。不然还不如像去年那年。自己干就行了。但是季后赛输了球不要说自己孤胆英雄，双拳难敌四手刚看了个帖子，在这里tx下
雷霆的话题，恐怕会充满在这个赛季里面
我特别觉得他们彷佛打哪个对手也是55开，或者说，也会由领先的阶段被打到很紧凑
尤其现在这个12月是有趣的，他们8场比赛，除了黄蜂那场，全部输赢也是几分之差 (而之前的10月、11月，赢的都几乎是大胜，输的都几乎是几分)
在这个赛季开始之前，很多人也都会说：“雷霆不赢谁赢？他们可是有威斯布鲁克、保罗-乔治和安东尼的球队。”当然他们还有大把机会能翻身，但是他们的表现证明联盟不是堆砌天赋就能赢球这么简单，还是让人欣慰只是不久以后，雷霆就在落后一定输，领先不一定赢的道路上一去不复返了
Why, is he that messy?为啥？他真有那么乱？自己的鞋到处扔？TX.美国old铁真有意思
光有球星不行，还得让球星有球权
雷霆的教练组为什么还能坐的这么稳当
比赛不是2K，胜利更不是简单的球星堆砌
雷霆真的需要考虑考虑能否进季后赛的问题了。
1+1算出小于2的结果，更何况还是1+0.5+0.5这么复杂？
为什么就不肯承认是核心亚当斯的问题！txtx
BD跟威少是球队最大的问题
球队教练需要一个能有勇气敢把脑热威少按在替补席的人
引用4楼 @ 发表的:光有球星不行，还得让球星有球权
看到有人说他们三根本不兼容，我其实一直都不这么觉得，瓜泡都能接球投，泡威鸭蛋能单侧组成强势三角，瓜可以阵地时打不开局面后拉开单打。威和泡也能面框。现在这种局面完全是因为泡和瓜只能当萝卜丝的定位打。身为控卫你想让队友发挥就必须把出手让给锋线和内线。你非要控场打法就只能像纳什那样打挡拆或者像詹姆斯那样配四个投手。别的不说就像勇士的库杜挡拆也是很适合雷霆的啊。泡和威打挡拆，还可以有鸭蛋和安东尼两个位置可以分球。关键的关键是威要把球让出来。不然还不如像去年那年。自己干就行了。但是季后赛输了球不要说自己孤胆英雄，双拳难敌四手
雷霆的化学反应确实很差，命中率太低
雷霆为什么不能考虑下让乔治和亚当斯挡拆。安东尼外线牵制。给威少和罗伯森掩护。罗伯森和威少溜底线空切。或是罗伯森再给威少掩护。 威少空切或是空位投篮或者选择传球。
想想杜兰特在的时候。多少次因为威少输球的。
甜瓜年纪和运动能力摆在那。只能当外线炮手。做做掩护。
而且我瓜的掩护质量真的差。
威少最适合的角色就是进攻端突分。造犯规。防守 端贴身肉搏。
乔治我认为是现在最适合当组织核心的人
亚当斯真的勤勤恳恳是个好球员。
罗伯森就好好空切。空位三分就行。 被犯规罚篮不进好歹也加了对面犯规次数
有人提勇士，那我也说说勇士。在杜兰特加盟和单赛季73胜9负之前，论坛里的有些人（包括我自己，那时候用老马甲）会觉得他们在14-15的成功是偶然事件。很多人觉得他们的成功就仅限于常规赛而已（就像布登霍尔泽的老鹰）。然后勇士继续出色的表现，我们又因为其他原因黑他们（“他们当然会赢球了，格林和克莱一直都是全明星级别的球员。”） 这段话说的真棒！！
引用5楼 @ 发表的:雷霆的教练组为什么还能坐的这么稳当其实最该下课是4连败时期，或者是上个月末对小牛、魔术的两场大败
现在雷霆这月6胜2负，雷霆管理层也很难再对教练组开刀了...
这个第一阵容真的已经很牛逼了...打不好 某人要担责
泰伦卢:很有道理！！
湖人F4那年17-25 眼看就乐透了 后来的事情大家都知道了
打成这样肯定不是只有一种原因，但是替罪羊只有一只啊?
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